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jerryyang4.jpgThe second reason Yahoo's stock (YHOO) has rocketed higher in the past few days (the first being Hail Mary dreams of a Microsoft (MSFT) deal) is that investors are expecting a whopper of a Google (GOOG) search outsourcing partnership to be announced any day now. Specifically, the number everyone has latched onto, originally floated by Citi's Mark Mahaney, is incremental cash flow of ONE BILLION DOLLARS.

Keep dreaming.

At best, a Yahoo-Google search partnership will deliver a few hundred million to Yahoo's EBITDA. This would be a nice boost, but not the WOWZA!!! blow-out that the market is now expecting.

How do we know? Because that Mahaney $1 billion incremental cash flow estimate is based on the premise that Yahoo will:

  1. Outsource 100% of its search business to Google
  2. Fire everyone associated with its internal search business, thus savings hundreds of millions in costs.

In fact, Yahoo has stated clearly in recent days that it has no intention of getting out of the principal search business (see Sue Decker's interview on TechTicker), which means that it won't be firing everyone associated with Panama (or even anyone). Second, Yahoo and Google sources have also made clear that they are considering only a partial outsourcing deal, in which Google monetizes only a fraction of Yahoo's search queries. Thus, the revenue boost will likely be far less than most people expect.

Mark Mahaney's most recent note provides a range of Google-Yahoo partnership estimates. These range from $250 million at 25% outsourcing and $1.2 billion at 100% outsourcing. Importantly, however, we do not believe that these estimates take into account the fact that Yahoo intends to preserve its Panama spending. Put differently, we think that, to hit these numbers, Mark is assuming that Yahoo will still fire everyone associated with Panama (Mark--please correct us if we're wrong).

Even if Mark's estimates are just based on revenue, we would be surprised if Yahoo exceeded the $500 million in gains he is projecting on a 50% outsourcing case.

Also, don't forget that these gains are essentially one time--Yahoo won't grow search cash flow by an additional $500 million in 2009. And, more importantly, the partnership won't help stem Yahoo's continued share losses in search queries, which will make the Yahoo partnership less and less meaningful over time.

Bottom line: A partial Google outsourcing deal would be a smart move that would improve the company's near-term financial performance, but it won't be the bombshell game-changer the Street is looking for.

See Also: Chances of a Microsoft-Yahoo Deal Smaller Than You Think



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Now Yahoo Really Does Need To Fire 3000 People
When the Google search deal evaporated, it took $250-$450 million of Yahoo annual operating cash flow with it. Yahoo has to get that back. Yahoo also needs to recognize that its plan to cut 1500 jobs will merely roll the company's p [..] Read complete article
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Why Yahoo (YHOO) Should Go Ahead With Google Outsourcing Deal (GOOG)
Yahoo's search partnership with Google (GOOG) played a major role in allowing the company to fight off Microsoft (MSFT). By offering the hope of immediately higher cash flow, it should also [..] Read complete article
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Why Yahoo Passed On Microsoft's Search Deal (New Details!)
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Google And Yahoo Blink, Put Brakes On Search Deal
Earlier this fall, Google's Eric Schmidt insisted he was going ahead with the Yahoo search deal with or without approval from the Feds. That pose seemed less convincing when both Google and Yahoo launched PR campaigns aimed a [..] Read complete article
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Google: Our Yahoo Deal Won't Raise Search Ad Prices (That Much)
Google is firing back at the idea that its search ad deal with Yahoo will lead to higher search ad prices -- the heart of the antitrust opposition the deal now faces in D.C., in the States, and in Europe. [..] Read complete article
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Google: See, Our Ad Deal With Yahoo Is Harmless (GOOG, YHOO)
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Analysts Give Up On Yahoo-Google Search Deal, Want Microsoft Deal
Yahoo management's moves over the past year are rapidly slipping into tragicomedy. As we've noted frequently over the past few weeks, the Yahoo-Google search deal is on the rocks, and both the company and now Wall Street are floppin [..] Read complete article
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Google Walks Away From Yahoo Search Deal
Google is through with trying to bail out Yahoo. The search partnership that helped "save" Yahoo from being acquired by Microsoft is now officially dead. The deal has been headed this way for months, [..] Read complete article
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Microsoft Search Payback: Killing Yahoo, Annoying Google
The Google-Yahoo search partnership is getting neutered by the Justice Department. If the current "compromises" are adopted, the deal will be worth far less to Yahoo, Yahoo shareholders, and Google, which is one [..] Read complete article
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The Real Reason Google Walked Away From Yahoo Search Deal (GOOG)
Did Google really walk away from the Yahoo search deal because of the "risk" of litigation, as Google suggested at the time? No. Because of the certainty of it. When Google walked, the Justice Department was three [..] Read complete article
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Google: Regulators Will Be Fine With Yahoo Search Deal
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