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Send to email | Is the Disco. Inst. agreeing that ID is religion? in Creationism | By Thoughts el 17-Jun-2008 | Disco. vocalist Rob Crowther wonders What Part of "shall not be construed to promote any religious doctrine" do his opponents not understand? Writing about SB 733, a creationist bill winging its way to Governor Bobby "The Exorcist II" Jindal, Crowther points out that:
Section 1D of the bill clearly states that it "shall not be construed to promote any religious doctrine, promote discrimination for or against a particular set of religious beliefs, or promote discrimination for or against religion or non-religion." Why is it, then, that "a slew of articles have been running in which activists like Barbara Forrest make the false claim that [SB 733] opens the door to religion in the classroom"?
In a press release issued last night, Forrest commented that "It allows local school boards to open the doors of public school science classrooms to creationism with the blessing of the state," and in a press release after the state House of Representatives passed the bill, Forrest said, "Despite their denials, even the bill's backers know that SB 733 is a creationist bill written in creationist code language."
In other words, Forrest is talking about a specific sort of religion, creationism. The usual ID dodge is to insist that their form of creationism is not actually religion. For instance, in the defendants response to the suit filed by parents and teachers in Dover, PA, the Disco.-coached ID advocates on the Dover school board insistently "den[ied] that intelligent design is an 'inherently religious' concept if that phrase is taken to mean a concept that is only known or accepted as a result of religious faith as opposed to reason and science." Later, the filing defends a statement by former school board member Bill Buckingham that "nowhere in the Constitution does it call for a separation of church and state," which the lawyers parse as Buckingham's "observation that teachers would not be teaching religion in Dover School District [] in the event the Board, after due deliberation, decided to modify the biology curriculum for the purpose of ensuring that students were made aware of the controversy in the scientific community concerning various aspects of evolutionary theory." (Quotes are from the defense's Answer to Complaint, filed January 3, 2005.)
This is, of course, exactly what teachers in Louisiana would claim.
The result in Dover was a million dollar bill to the school district, and a scathing rebuke from the Judge. Judge Jones referred to Buckingham's statement about separation of church and state as one of "several outwardly religious statements" made at that Board meeting, and concluded his landmark ruling by stating that:
To preserve the separation of church and state mandated by the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, and Art. I, § 3 of the Pennsylvania Constitution, we will enter an order permanently enjoining Defendants from maintaining the ID Policy in any school within the Dover Area School District, from requiring teachers to denigrate or disparage the scientific theory of evolution, and from requiring teachers to refer to a religious, alternative theory known as ID. The same thing will happen in Louisiana, and all the figleaf of section 1D will do is encourage teachers or school boards (as in Dover) to make expensive mistakes. In passing this bill, the legislature opened the door to big trouble. Jindal can still protect the students of Louisiana from miseducation, and the school districts from costly and distracting lawsuits. Here's hoping he'll do the right thing. Read the comments on this post...
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 | Thoughts From Kansas | Blogger | Weblog of a University of Kansas ecology and evolutionary biology student, fighting for progressive politics, evolution, and endangered species. Thoughts from Kansas You will notice that it lacks definiteness; that it lacks purpose; that it lacks coherence; that it lacks a subject to talk about; that it is loose and wabbly; that it wanders around; that |
| Is the Disco. Inst. agreeing that ID is religion? | | Disco. vocalist Rob Crowther wonders What Part of "shall not be construed to promote any religious doctrine" do his opponents not understand? Writing about SB 733, a creationist bill winging its way to Governor Bobby "The Exorcist II" Jindal, Crowther points out that:
Section 1D of the bill clearly states that it "shall not be construed to promote any religious doctrine, prom [..] Read complete article |  | Published 17-Jun-2008 by Thoughts in Creationism Read 2 times. More hits in  |
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 | Thoughts From Kansas | Blogger | Weblog of a University of Kansas ecology and evolutionary biology student, fighting for progressive politics, evolution, and endangered species. Thoughts from Kansas You will notice that it lacks definiteness; that it lacks purpose; that it lacks coherence; that it lacks a subject to talk about; that it is loose and wabbly; that it wanders around; that |
| Disco. Inst. builds Guillermo Gonzalez a telescope | | Disco. Inst. flack Rob Crowther is crowing about a grant they gave to Guillermo Gonzalez. Gonzalez was the Iowa State University astronomer who got tied in with the ID creationists at Disco. and with the old-earth creationists at Reasons To Believe, then was denied tenure when his publication rate dropped precipitously. Disco. responded to the tenure denial by insisting simultaneously that Go [..] Read complete article |  | Published 08-Jul-2008 by Thoughts in Creationism Read 3 times. More hits in  |
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 | Thoughts From Kansas | Blogger | Weblog of a University of Kansas ecology and evolutionary biology student, fighting for progressive politics, evolution, and endangered species. Thoughts from Kansas You will notice that it lacks definiteness; that it lacks purpose; that it lacks coherence; that it lacks a subject to talk about; that it is loose and wabbly; that it wanders around; that |
| Message to Disco. Inst.: Learn to read | | Johnny West, associate director of the Disco. Inst.'s Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture, is upset with the New York Times:
Message to New York Times Editorial Page: Hire a Fact-Checker ... The Times apparently hasn't been paying attention to Texas during the past decade, because ... the "strengths [..] Read complete article |  | Published 10-Jun-2008 by Thoughts in Policy and Politics Read 5 times. More hits in  |
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 | Thoughts From Kansas | Blogger | Weblog of a University of Kansas ecology and evolutionary biology student, fighting for progressive politics, evolution, and endangered species. Thoughts from Kansas You will notice that it lacks definiteness; that it lacks purpose; that it lacks coherence; that it lacks a subject to talk about; that it is loose and wabbly; that it wanders around; that |
| Disco. Inst. blogger: Ban marriage | | Martin Cothran, blogger for the Disco. Inst., opposes gay marriage, and wonders:
If their relationships are already stable, then why do they need to be stabilized?Compelling logic. Clearly, marriage is useless.
Of course, evidence suggests that marriage actually does have a stabilizing effect on people. And gay people, it turns out, are people, too. [..] Read complete article |  | Published 21-Jun-2008 by Thoughts in Policy and Politics Read 2 times. More hits in  |
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 | Thoughts From Kansas | Blogger | Weblog of a University of Kansas ecology and evolutionary biology student, fighting for progressive politics, evolution, and endangered species. Thoughts from Kansas You will notice that it lacks definiteness; that it lacks purpose; that it lacks coherence; that it lacks a subject to talk about; that it is loose and wabbly; that it wanders around; that |
| Disco. Inst. blogger: Straight people don't have stable relationships | | It can be difficult to understand creationists at times. Last week, I observed Disco. Inst. blogger Martin Cothran wondered: "If their relationships are already stable, then why do they need to be stabilized?" Cothran only applies that logic to teh gays, of course. I pointed out that the same logic applies to straight folk, and that he seemed to be arguing against marriage per se. [..] Read complete article |  | Published 23-Jun-2008 by Thoughts in Policy and Politics Read 0 times. More hits in  |
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 | Thoughts From Kansas | Blogger | Weblog of a University of Kansas ecology and evolutionary biology student, fighting for progressive politics, evolution, and endangered species. Thoughts from Kansas You will notice that it lacks definiteness; that it lacks purpose; that it lacks coherence; that it lacks a subject to talk about; that it is loose and wabbly; that it wanders around; that |
| Not just a river | Disco. Inst. head Bruce Chapman takes a dip in denial. Global warming isn't an issue, he seems to believe, because:
We're having the coldest winter, er, spring in 100 years in the great Northwest. There's new snow in the mountain passes and even freak frosty flecks in Seattle's hilliy suburbs.Meanwhile, the Arctic is melting at least as fast, if not faster than, [..] Read complete article |  | Published 12-Jun-2008 by Thoughts in Planet Earth Read 4 times. More hits in  |
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| How pleasant to know Mr. Crowther | | How pleasant to know Mr. [Crowther]
Who has written such volumes of stuff
Some think him ill-tempered and queer
But a few think him pleasant enough.I can't say I know who those would be, though Mr. Lear would undoubtedly have been worth knowing.
Mr. Crowther, flack for the Disco. Inst., is not nearly as funny as Edward Lear, alas. In his latest semiliterate scrawling [..] Read complete article |  | Published 08-Apr-2008 by Thoughts in Culture Wars Read 10 times. More hits in  |
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| Studios Vs. Actors: The Suits Walk Away | After agreeing to extend contract negotiations on Friday, Hollywood studios abruptly ended talks with the Screen Actors Guild on Tuesday night. The message: "We've got much more leverage than you think. Just ask your writer pals."Although SAG claimed they were willing to negotiate all night to establish an agreement, the studios said in a statement that 'insufficient progress' had b [..] Read complete article |  | Published 07-May-2008 by Silicon in General Read 2 times. More hits in  |
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