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 Send to email | Ken Miller: Expelled from Expelled for his religious views in Culture Wars |  By Thoughts
el 10-Apr-2008 | The more that the producers of Expelled talk, the more they demonstrate their abject idiocy. Chris Heard transcribes part of producer Mark Mathis's discussion with Scientific American:
[SciAm editor] Mirsky: Why not also include comments from somebody like Ken Miller—
Mathis: Uh—
Mirsky: who is famously religious—
Mathis: well— [Laughs.]
Mirsky: and an evolutionary biologist.
Mathis: I would tell you this. And this is keeping in mind who you’re talking to is an associate producer. I don’t make decisions about who gets interviewed, and, and I don’t make decisions about if they’re interviewed, what makes it into the film.
[SciAm editor] Rennie: Mm-hmm, sure.
Mathis: But I would tell you from a, my personal standpoint as somebody who’s worked on this project, that Ken Miller would have confused the film unnecessarily. I don’t agree with Ken Miller. I think that you, I think that when you look at this issue and this debate, that really there’s, there’s one side of the line or the other, and you, it’s, it’s hard to stay, I don’t think you can intellectually, honestly, honestly intellectually stand on a line that I don’t think exists—
Rennie: I mean, I think, listen—
Mathis: so—
Rennie: there are, there are obviously plenty of people, I mean as you mentioned, P.Z. Myers, Dawkins himself, a lot of them would make exactly that same argument—
Mathis: Mm-hmm, yeah.
Rennie: that somebody like Ken Miller is wrong. But I mean, you say he would have, his presence would have “confused the film.” The point is what, it would actually had, I mean, it would have, it would have considerably undercut the major point that is made, that really that belief in, in evolution obliges you not to believe in God, and to—
Mathis: No, I don’t think so, because, uh, the form of Catholicism that Ken Miller accepts and practices is, is nowhere near the form of Catholicism that is followed by Catholics who are members of the Catholic church, who believe in Catholic doctrine. What he believes is certainly out of—
[There are a few seconds here that are garbled as several people speak at once.—RCH] In short, they only interviewed atheist scientists because they think that theistic scientists who oppose creationism aren't really theists, perhaps reinventing the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. To dismiss theistic scientists who oppose ID creationism (including many members of the American Scientific Affiliation, a group of evangelical scientists) because they "confuse" things is either a demonstration of a very low threshold for confusion on the part of the producers, or the very low opinion they have of their audience. People can handle the idea that there are theistic opponents of (ID) creationism, and there could have been real value in exploring the reasons why theists would oppose treating theology as a scientific endeavor.
Instead, the producers are reduced now to belittling the religious belief of scientists, and hiding an important part of this social debate merely because they find it inconvenient.
(N.B.: Ken Miller has discussed his take on evolution and creationism with Catholic bishops, etc., and they agree that his view is entirely concordant with Catholic teaching. As Chris Heard notes: "Agreeing with two popes is hardly an aberrant in Catholicism.") Read the comments on this post...
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| Ken Miller: Expelled from Expelled for his religious views | | The more that the producers of Expelled talk, the more they demonstrate their abject idiocy. Chris Heard transcribes part of producer Mark Mathis's discussion with Scientific American:
[SciAm editor] Mirsky: Why not also include comments from somebody like Ken Miller—
Mathis: Uh—
Mirsky: who is famously religious—
Mathis: well— [Laug [..] Read complete article | | Published 10-Apr-2008 by Thoughts in Culture Wars
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| Happy Earth Day |  I'm still digging out of the post-Expelled craziness. Our video about Chris Comer has gotten more views than the Expelled trailer on Youtube or the rapping Dawkins video, and traffic keeps streaming in to ExpelledExposed.com.
If you haven't done so already, there's still time to locate a stupid statement by Ben Stein (from anywhere, not the movie) and refute it as part of NCSE [..] Read complete article | | Published 22-Apr-2008 by Thoughts in Creationism
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| Thoughts From Kansas | Blogger | Weblog of a University of Kansas ecology and evolutionary biology student, fighting for progressive politics, evolution, and endangered species.
Thoughts from Kansas You will notice that it lacks definiteness; that it lacks purpose; that it lacks coherence; that it lacks a subject to talk about; that it is loose and wabbly; that it wanders around; that |
| Expelled | | I haven't written a lot here about Expelled: No Intelligence. It'll be a crappy movie, and all the PR in the world won't change that. All the whining about PZ Myers, and criticism of his desire to see the movie he's featured in won't make the movie any better. Plus, I'm helping develop NCSE's response to Expelled, and I don't want to tip our hand.
That said, I will predict t [..] Read complete article | | Published 31-Mar-2008 by Thoughts in Creationism
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| Expelled steals from the dead | | Expelled apparently features "Imagine" by John Lennon , and the Lennon estate is not pleased.
But according to a lawyer for Ms. Ono, the filmmakers did not have permission to use the song [Imagine], for any amount of money.
Ms. Ono's [..] Read complete article | | Published 17-Apr-2008 by Thoughts in Culture Wars
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| Thoughts From Kansas | Blogger | Weblog of a University of Kansas ecology and evolutionary biology student, fighting for progressive politics, evolution, and endangered species.
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| Thoughts From Kansas | Blogger | Weblog of a University of Kansas ecology and evolutionary biology student, fighting for progressive politics, evolution, and endangered species.
Thoughts from Kansas You will notice that it lacks definiteness; that it lacks purpose; that it lacks coherence; that it lacks a subject to talk about; that it is loose and wabbly; that it wanders around; that |
| More Expelled reviews | | Someone at the same screening of Expelled: No Intelligence that PZ Myers was tossed out of has two very contradictory things to say about the movie:
the entire audience, minus Dawkins’ posse, agreed that that the film’s main point was that Intelligent Design should be taught in conjunction with Evolution.And also:
In fact, Naz [..] Read complete article | | Published 21-Mar-2008 by Thoughts in Creationism
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| Thoughts From Kansas | Blogger | Weblog of a University of Kansas ecology and evolutionary biology student, fighting for progressive politics, evolution, and endangered species.
Thoughts from Kansas You will notice that it lacks definiteness; that it lacks purpose; that it lacks coherence; that it lacks a subject to talk about; that it is loose and wabbly; that it wanders around; that |
| Movie Review: Expelled | | Expelled is a really, truly, awful movie. Even setting aside its errors and its Holocaust nigh-denial, it's just a badly assembled bit of cinema. It's offensive and absurd to compare the events of the Cold War to the treatment of the supposed martyrs: the folks who variously were called bad names, didn't get tenure because they didn't publish research or get grants, the one who didn' [..] Read complete article | | Published 29-Apr-2008 by Thoughts in Creationism
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Thoughts from Kansas You will notice that it lacks definiteness; that it lacks purpose; that it lacks coherence; that it lacks a subject to talk about; that it is loose and wabbly; that it wanders around; that |
| Expelled on DVD, straight from Mumbai! | | According to a press release datelined from Mumbai, the crapfest Expelled will be distributed on DVD by Vivendi Entertainment, proud home of many classic films. If you want reruns of Swamp Thing or McHale's Navy, you always knew Vivendi Entertainment was the place to go. But did you know they've got such modern classics as:
LITTLE JJ'S ALMOST GROWN VARIETY SHOW
A [..] Read complete article | | Published 02-Jul-2008 by Thoughts in Creationism
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| Thoughts From Kansas | Blogger | Weblog of a University of Kansas ecology and evolutionary biology student, fighting for progressive politics, evolution, and endangered species.
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| New NCSE video | | The video at ExpelledExposed.com highlighting Chris Comer's story was one of last week's most viewed and most discussed on YouTube. In a week, it basically tied the YouTube trailer for Expelled, and exceeded the viewership of the Dick-to-the-Dawk viral video put out by the producers of Expelled.
We don't know if the next three videos we're rolling out over the next few weeks will get t [..] Read complete article | | Published 24-Apr-2008 by Thoughts in Creationism
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| Ben Stein: Still a rat-bastard | | As Ben Stein's egregiously bad Expelled opens in Canada, the Canadian press is getting a taste of the offensive bile Stein unleashed in his US media tour. Peter McKnight, of the Vancouver Sun, asked Stein about the ADL's condemnation of his movie:
Nowhere does Stein mention the centuries of anti-Semitism before Darwin -- in fact, Expelled all but ignores anti-Semitis [..] Read complete article | | Published 24-Jun-2008 by Thoughts in Creationism
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| Expelled and Holocaust denial |  Orac doesn't think Expelled's Nazi claims are a form of Holocaust denial. I disagree.
Orac has some good points, and "denial" may be a strong word. Orac gives the basic criteria of Holocaust denial as rejecting at least one of these statements:
1. The Holocaust was the intentional murder of European Jews by the Nazi government of Germany during World War II as a ma [..] Read complete article | | Published 24-Apr-2008 by Thoughts in Creationism
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| Yoko can't Imagine Expelled's abuse of song | | Yoko sues Expelled filmmakers over Imagine | Entertainment | Reuters:
John Lennon's widow, Yoko Ono, and his sons are suing the filmmakers of "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" for using the song "Imagine" in the documentary without permission. …
Yoko Ono, son, Sean Ono Lennon, and Julian Lennon, John Lennon's son from his first marriage, along with privately h [..] Read complete article | | Published 23-Apr-2008 by Thoughts in Creationism
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