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Send to email | On marriage in Policy and Politics | By Thoughts el 14-Jul-2010 | Joel Mathis is upset with the National Review. The conservative journal responds to last week's ruling against the federal Defense of Marriage Act, an act that blocks legal recognition of legal marriages between same-sex couples, by arguing:
If heterosexual coupling did not regularly produce children there would be no reason for the institution of marriage to exist, let alone for governments to recognize it. As Joel notes, this is a pretty silly basis for opposing gay marriage.
What a depressingly -- implausibly -- narrow view of marriage.
No doubt, children are a common byproduct of heterosexual marriage. [But] ?People, as a general rule, want company. They want sex, they want economic partnerships, they want somebody to hang out with. ?
The conservative case against same-sex marriage reduces the "institution" to simple biology. It's a point of view that reduces humanity to the level of beasts, with a bureaucracy. Indeed, this was ultimately what the anti-gay attorneys in the Prop. 8 trial were reduced to. Having had many of their witnesses withdraw, and others discredit themselves by acknowledging their motivation by animus against homosexuality (an unconstitutionally discriminatory basis for legislative action), the lawyers fell back to insisting that marriage is about childbirth, and since same-sex union can only produce offspring through medical interventions, they shouldn't count legally.
This is dumb.
For a simple explanation, consider two stories. First, consider a couple of professors I had in grad school. Both had been married for many years, and both of them had made the decision not to have children. Their marriage was valid and meaningful to them, but did not involve children. If conservatives have no basis for appreciating why those folks, and many other intentionally childless couples, get married, ? well I'm glad I'm not marrying a conservative.
Second, let's talk about my grandmother. Her husband died in his fifties, before I was born. Quite some time later, well after menopause, she remarried, and the man she married was the only grandfather on that side of the family that I ever knew. Both had adult children from previous marriages, and some of their grandchildren attended the wedding. They knew they wouldn't have children of their own, but that didn't change their desire to marry. Again, if conservatives cannot understand why senior citizens choose to marry and stay married past menopause? well, I'm still glad I'm not marrying a conservative.
When people make this argument that marriage is about procreation, it insults the memory of my grandmother and grandfather, people who could not have legally married if this standard were applied consistently. It insults people who are infertile for any reason, including voluntary sterilization, congenital conditions, or side effects of other medical treatments. And it insults anyone who takes marriage seriously ? as an institution focused on bringing together loving couples and recognizing the special ties that they've formed. Read the comments on this post...
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 | Thoughts From Kansas | Blogger | Weblog of a University of Kansas ecology and evolutionary biology student, fighting for progressive politics, evolution, and endangered species. Thoughts from Kansas You will notice that it lacks definiteness; that it lacks purpose; that it lacks coherence; that it lacks a subject to talk about; that it is loose and wabbly; that it wanders around; that |
| On marriage | | Joel Mathis is upset with the National Review. The conservative journal responds to last week's ruling against the federal Defense of Marriage Act, an act that blocks legal recognition of legal marriages between same-sex couples, by arguing:
If heterosexual coupling did not regularly produce children there would be no reason for the institution of marriage to exist, let alone [..] Read complete article |  | Published 14-Jul-2010 by Thoughts in Policy and Politics Read 20 times. More hits in  |
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 | Thoughts From Kansas | Blogger | Weblog of a University of Kansas ecology and evolutionary biology student, fighting for progressive politics, evolution, and endangered species. Thoughts from Kansas You will notice that it lacks definiteness; that it lacks purpose; that it lacks coherence; that it lacks a subject to talk about; that it is loose and wabbly; that it wanders around; that |
| Another thought on marriage | Martin Cothran jokes:
Are the issues of same-sex marriage and interracial marriage the same kind of issue? Well, we could be smart alecky and point out that one has issue and the other doesn't, but we won't settle for that.This is an example of a joke that isn't a joke; joking-but-for-real, if you will. He's waving off a stupid comment as a joke, but the bad joke [..] Read complete article |  | Published 17-Nov-2008 by Thoughts in Policy and Politics Read 29 times. More hits in  |
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 | Thoughts From Kansas | Blogger | Weblog of a University of Kansas ecology and evolutionary biology student, fighting for progressive politics, evolution, and endangered species. Thoughts from Kansas You will notice that it lacks definiteness; that it lacks purpose; that it lacks coherence; that it lacks a subject to talk about; that it is loose and wabbly; that it wanders around; that |
| More on marriage in California | | Former congressman Jim Ryun's baby boy Ned opines on marriage equality in California. He calls for state and federal constitutional amendments, saying:
if the other side on this debate wants to push their agenda down our throats thru the judicial system, we push back.But what, exactly, is being pushed down his throat? How does it affect him whether a gay couple [..] Read complete article |  | Published 22-May-2008 by Thoughts in Policy and Politics Read 25 times. More hits in  |
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 | Thoughts From Kansas | Blogger | Weblog of a University of Kansas ecology and evolutionary biology student, fighting for progressive politics, evolution, and endangered species. Thoughts from Kansas You will notice that it lacks definiteness; that it lacks purpose; that it lacks coherence; that it lacks a subject to talk about; that it is loose and wabbly; that it wanders around; that |
| Marriage equality in California | | California is set to join Massachusetts as a hotbed for equality:
Same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry, the California Supreme Court ruled Thursday.
The court’s 4-to-3 decision striking down state laws that had limited marriages to unions between a man and a woman makes California only the second state, after Massachusetts, to allow same-sex marr [..] Read complete article |  | Published 15-May-2008 by Thoughts in Policy and Politics Read 29 times. More hits in  |
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Gossip, news and leaks for obsessive gamers Kotaku As if you don't waste enough of your time in a gamer's haze, here's Kotaku: a gamer's guide that goes beyond the press release. Gossip, cheats, criticism, design, nostalgia, pred |
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| Raichu cosplayer uses Marriage Proposal | When Chris Herbert decided to pop the question to his girlfriend of three years, Belle Starenchak, he picked the most romantic place he could think of: Anime Weekend Atlanta, with both dressed as Pokemon. It ... kind of makes sense for them.
[..] Read complete article |  | Published 14-Nov-2009 by JC Fletcher in pikabellechupokemonproposal Read 21 times. More hits in  |
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 | Kotaku`s The Gamers Guide | Blogger | XBOX 360 Gamers Weblog
Gossip, news and leaks for obsessive gamers Kotaku As if you don't waste enough of your time in a gamer's haze, here's Kotaku: a gamer's guide that goes beyond the press release. Gossip, cheats, criticism, design, nostalgia, pred |
 | Kotaku`s The Gamers Guide | Blogger | XBOX 360 Gamers Weblog
Gossip, news and leaks for obsessive gamers Kotaku As if you don't waste enough of your time in a gamer's haze, here's Kotaku: a gamer's guide that goes beyond the press release. Gossip, cheats, criticism, design, nostalgia, pred |
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| Guy hacks marriage proposal into Earthbound |
Video game-themed proposals certainly aren't new, but when a reaction is as genuine as Liz's -- who was just proposed to via an in-game message hacked into Earthbound by Matt -- it must be shared. Best of luck, you [..] Read complete article |  | Published 02-Dec-2010 by David Hinkle in dsearthboundlizmarriagemattnintendopcproposalweddingwii Read 18 times. More hits in  |
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| Put your thoughts on marriage into a Catherine trailer | |
Atlus is giving fans the opportunity to participate in a Catherine trailer, which will then be used to market the game to ... well, those same fans, really. The publisher is soliciting video responses to the following three questions:
D [..] Read complete article |  | Published 13-Apr-2011 by JC Fletcher in atluscatherinemicrosoftplaystationps3trailerxbox Read 15 times. More hits in  |
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